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Quick Note: Tyson Ross

Tyson Ross is the second round draft pick of the Oakland Athletics (58th overall). People are worried about his followthrough (which is weird - he is mainly upright). However, that's not the big problem - he has a major Inverted W in his delivery. It's something I haven't seen since Mark Prior. It's very bad.

Here's the video:

And here's a still of the Inverted W:

For comparison, here's Mark Prior:

Ugh. This will cause major shoulder problems due to impingement syndrome, and to top it off, it causes a major timing flaw at footstrike. Tyson's arm is hanging down at footstrike and is very late - he will stress his Ulnar Collateral Ligament extremely hard as he experiences violent external rotation due to forearm bounce.

Good luck, Oakland.

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You would think that with the philosophy of the A’s building through the draft someone would catch this, maybe they plan on changing his mechanics?

by Gleb on Jun 9, 2008 9:51 AM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Does the fact that Ross is tall and lanky have anything to do with his inverted W? Just going by the freeze frames you posted, Prior seems to be driving his throwing elbow towards first base a lot more than Ross does – isn’t that where the possible injury comes from with the inverted W?

by mikev on Jun 9, 2008 10:03 AM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Does the fact that Ross is pretty tall and lanky contribute to his inverted W at all?

It almost seems, just going by the freeze frames you posted, that Prior’s elbow and upper arm are pulled back towards first base significantly more than Ross’ – I wonder if that may help him avoid injury. Well, that and teaching the kid to take a longer friggin stride, he’s probably giving up 2 or 3 mph on his fastball just by short stepping like that.

by mikev on Jun 9, 2008 10:09 AM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yeah the glove side is outrageously high but the throwing arm side isn’t horrifyingly bad, just bad. But put that with the finish or lack thereof though and: yikes.

by AS on Jun 9, 2008 12:31 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Is this arm action any worse than Gerrit Cole, the Yanks first round pick?

by E-ROC on Jun 10, 2008 5:35 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

would it be that difficult to tweak the delivery?
he’s a tall, athletic pitcher, former SS..A’s and many other teams believe in good mechanics. he already throws mid 90’s w/ that delivery, if its cleaned up he might throw even harder.

by AsFan on Jun 11, 2008 11:46 AM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I’m surprised that more teams don’t pay attention to this. As someone who pitched in high school and college (I’m now 31), I can attest to your points about the inverted W. I used to have two deliveries (for reasons I won’t get into). In one of them, I had an inverted W arm action and I ALWAYS had elbow problems. In the other delivery I didn’t use the inverted W and never had problems. Also, just a moment ago I tried just standing here putting my arms in an inverted W and you can just FEEL the impingement! My shoulder actually hurts a little bit from just standing like that! Somebody should really do a statistical analysis of how many major league hurlers use the inverted W and L and compare how many of them get hurt compared to those who don’t. I expect you’d find a huge statistical difference!

by Marcus Arvan on Jun 15, 2008 1:25 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Huge difference between Ross and Prior. Ross has an invert on GS. Prior on throwing arm. Ross’ action on throwing arm is actually fairly common. What is unusual is to have a guy throw this fast, with such good results at the levels he has, with such poor mechanics. The A’s probably looking at his saying — it would be easy to add 10mph with better mechanics. The key question is whether they are actually willing to “develop” such a high draft pick. The tendency is to largely let them be unless they start tracking well below projection.

by Rick on Jun 26, 2008 12:43 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

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