Hitter Profile: Justin Smoak (Part Two)
For those who missed it (or ignored the post due to so many comments), please check out Part One of our Hitter Profile on Justin Smoak. Teacherman makes a lot of interesting comments about Smoak's swing - he parallels it with Dr. Chris Yeager's work, which he believes does not produce the high-level MLB swing. Since I don't want to get too technical - this can be a featured story in the future - I will simply say that I disagree with the assertion that Dr. Chris Yeager's work does not mimic or produce the high-level MLB swing, and that I mostly believe in Dr. Yeager's ideas about hitting mechanics. Again, pages upon pages can be written about what the high-level MLB swing actually is, and it's something I plan on talking about in the future.
However, for now, we'll stick with our basic hitting breakdown using the four stages of the swing as Dr. Yeager talks about. This is the clip we'll be analyzing, since the end result was a HR and it represents Smoak's "best swing."

Part Two of our Hitter Profile on Justin Smoak continues after the break...
The four phases of the baseball swing are:
- Back leg load
- Back leg push
- Front leg block
- Front leg push
As you can see, they are pretty self-explanatory! Dr. Chris Yeager describes the high level swing as a series of straight-line pushes that you use to convert linear momentum into rotational momentum, resulting in a high-velocity swing that fully utilizes the stretch shortening cycle to produce maximum batspeed.
Step One: Back Leg Load
Smoak has a quiet back leg load - he doesn't have an exaggerated load into the backside like Derrek Lee does:

There's nothing wrong with what Derrek Lee is doing, or Justin Smoak for that matter - all that we care about is that there is "negative" movement that loads the back leg.
Smoak loads his back leg well and has the barrel of the bat pointing at the pitcher, both of which are good points. The longer we can maintain a vertical barrel (or one that is pointing towards the pitcher), the better, as this helps to create a shorter swing. The generally-accepted axiom in baseball is a "five frame swing" - a swing that goes from hand launch to contact in five frames or less when viewed on a 30 FPS video.
Step Two: Back Leg Push
Smoak has a low and traditional stride that is a straightline push into footblock. An example of a non-traditional stride would be Chipper Jones:
Again, there's nothing wrong with a non-traditional stride at all, as long as you land in a straight-line closed position. Even Johnny Damon, who sets up extremely open, ends up striding with his foot in a straight line landing pattern.
A common phrase used during the back leg push phase is "leave the hands behind" or "walk in front of the hands." The point of this cue is to gain Lead Arm Extension, which is critical to build the stretch shortening cycle between the core muscles and the arms. Dr. Yeager's method involves measuring the angle of the lead arm (for a RHB, their left arm; an LHB, their right arm). The closer to 180 degrees, the better. People also call this "scapular loading" or "shoulder loading" when the hands load straight back. I prefer to just call it Lead Arm Extension (LAE).
From eyeballing it (I need to figure out how to measure angles using software - any suggestions?), Smoak seems to have about 160-165 degrees of LAE, which isn't bad, but could be better.
Step Three: Front Leg Block
The front leg block phase occurs after the weight shift from the back to the front begins to translate linear momentum into rotational momentum. Here's a great picture (albeit after contact) of Alex Gordon showing a clean block of the front leg:

The front leg has a tendency to open slightly, so keeping it as perpendicular to the plate as possible is best. We want to block the momentum cleanly and efficiently to transfer it through a series of pushes against the ground - also known as Ground Reactionary Forces.
(Example: When you fall to the ground, why does it hurt? It doesn't hurt because you hit the ground - it hurts because the ground hits back. That is a perfect example of Ground Reactionary Forces.)
Smoak lands on a slightly flexed leg, which is good. Landing on a stiff leg will inhibit rotation and will also jar the hitter's head, moving his field of vision around and making it even tougher to hit a thrown baseball. After the front leg block phase, watch the clip to see how linear momentum is transferred into rotational momentum and how Smoak's head stays perfectly still. The linear portion of the swing has been completed, and now we are transferring the energy built up from the straightline pushes through the kinetic chain.
Smoak initiates the swing by opening the hips, which engages the stretch shortening cycle. (The advantages of gaining LAE should be obvious at this point!) The hips clear, pulling the handle around Smoak's body in a circular path (Jack Mankin of Batspeed.com was the first to publish this revelation), and finally his hands come through, taking us to the final step of the baseball swing...
Step Four: Front Leg Push
Notice how a few frames before the Front Leg Push step of this swing occurs that Smoak's hips are maximally cleared and that his shoulders are nearly square to the pitcher! The three short cues to the baseball swing can be summed up easily - Hips, Handle, Hands. The hips clear, the handle comes around the body, and only then do the hands deliver the barrel into the zone.
Also notice how this swing is not a "downward swing," nor is it "level" to the ground. Your Little League or High School coach that told you to "swing down to get up" or "swing level to the ground" was dead wrong. The swing path is initially downwards, yes, but it is level to the ball's flight, not the ground! This means that the end of the swing is going to be on an upwards plane, since the ball is delivered from a raised mound from an overhand throw. A swing plane that does not keep the barrel of the bat in the ball's flight path will ultimately be a failure, as there will only be one point of intersection between the bat's path and the ball's path. A rotational swing that keeps the barrel of the bat on the path of the ball's flight gives multiple points of contact and maximizes adjustability.
The frame that I chose to freeze Smoak's swing for the Front Leg Push tells us a ton about the high-level baseball swing. Note how Smoak's arms are bent and not extended in the "Power V" that baseball coaches often talk about; many misinformed coaches will talk about "getting extension" with your arms, as if you should hit the ball with extended arms. This is absolutely incorrect. The "Power V" is the effect of an efficient swing, not the cause. The frames after Smoak's swing show that his arms are pulled into an extended position after contact and NOT before.
Right before contact, the high-level baseball hitter will firm up the front leg - adding additional power to the swing through a final push against the ground - and will uncock the wrists to deliver the barrel of the bat into the ball.
Also notice how Smoak hits the ball just beyond his front foot - this is normal in most hitters. There exists this concept of "letting the ball get deep" and that hitting it deeper in the zone means the hitter has quicker batspeed. While the cue of letting the ball travel in the zone is a good one for most hitters, it is simply not what really happens in the high-level swing. Nearly all professionals make their strongest contact at or around their front foot, regardless of where the ball's flight ends up (pull, straightaway, or opposite field). Letting the ball travel deep is important to get the "feeling" of not lunging at pitches well out in front, but this typically happens when the hitter has a poor Front Leg Push phase, since their front leg is collapsed and not braced against the ground.
Overall, I really like Justin Smoak's swing, even if Teacherman doesn't. Time will tell if he can hit in the minors and in the big league level, and I'm betting that he'll be good for 20-25 home runs, plenty of doubles, and solid walk rates. I don't imagine he'll hit over .300, but I see his peak years being .290/.385/.550 with a typical line of .265/.345/.490 for Smoak. Basically, I think his best comp would be Lyle Overbay with a bit more power and the ability to hit switch.
(This post ended up being pretty long, so expect it to be regurgitated in a dedicated Hitting page on the left-side of the site in a few weeks.)
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Any chance you can do one from the right side? Because I've heard that it's pretty different from the left side.
Your 2010 Texas Rangers starting shortstop....(see pic)
by Kinslerhomer on Dec 27, 2008 6:40 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Interestig stuff
First time I’ve read a hitting analysis so in depth.
by VictorW on Dec 27, 2008 7:54 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
There is nothing wrong with Yeager’s 4 stages…..Back Leg Load/Back Leg Push/Front Leg Block/Front Leg Push….although I think the Front Leg Push is overrated.
What is wrong is they don’t address the critical lower body issue….the weight shift and when it occurs in relation to launch.
By that I mean….you can perform his 4 stages and still do it wrong….because they do not address the proper timing of the weight shift.
Furthermore….when you get deeper into his teaching….and consider his ‘straightline push’ concept….it clearly becomes a system that does not match the high level mlb swing.
This clip of Chipper….

clearly shows something other than a straightline push is happening. Notice the ‘turn’ of the hips long before ‘go’….which is done around the rear hip joint….which even leads to him stepping in the bucket somewhat. Bonds does the same thing. This is not accomplished by a straightline push. It is accomplished by ‘action’…..‘turning action’…..in the rear hip joint that occurs immediately after coil. Uncoil starts immediately after coil.
Then you have this clip of Posada….

Which also clearly shows something other than a straightline push is happening. The ‘take’ clip….where he takes the pitch…shows that even though he didn’t launch….the hips opened early. That doesn’t happen with a straightline push.
The correct teaching would be to teach a good rear hip and rear leg load….which is held…not lost….as you gain forward momentum….and then is unloaded in unison with the proper hand action….at ‘go’. EVERYTHING….must unload at once….together….at ‘go’….but only after the upper and lower body ‘running starts’ have reached separation.
Again…..easily seen in the Posada side by side clip.
To believe in what Yeager teaches you have to ignore video of the best hitters on earth.
by Teacherman on Dec 27, 2008 8:03 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
A better explanation of the lower body action regarding the timing of the weight shift is….“you come out of a one-legged deep knee bend….at ‘go’….and you are ‘caught’ by the front leg”….which then blocks.
I call this one-legged hitting….because that describes the ‘feel’ of what hitters do.
By ‘feel’….not by videdo….you actually swing….unload the rear hip joint and the hands….then the front leg hits the ground. Video will not show this on every swing. In fact, it will only show it on swings that the hitter launches his swing early in his ‘launch window’. But….if you are instructing hitters….you had better be teaching them ‘feel’ and not ‘look. Teach ’feel’….and then compare the resulting ‘look’ to video of the high level hitters. That is the only way you’ll be able to duplicate what they do.
Look at Posada….and Chipper. Notice the ‘up and through’ look of their rear hip.
This can not be done if you shift your weight then swing.
To get your rear hip ‘up and through’….you can not first shift the weight to the front leg.
This clip….shown in your Part 1 segment….

Is a great example of Yeager’s failing. Watch Howard’s rear hip get ‘up and through’….and Macias’ can not. Reason? Improper timing of the weight shift by Macias….a hands on student of Yeager.
by Teacherman on Dec 27, 2008 8:12 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
This improper weight shift has LARGE consequences on what the hands can do.
The high level barrel path is rearward toward the catcher at ‘go’. The barrel bluring rearward in clips shows it is not only going that direction….but it is going that direction with speed.
IF you shift your weight then swing….you will get an arm pull swing as shown by Macias.
IF you shift AS you swing….your hands will remain at the rear arm pit and allow the barrel to be turned as the high level hitters do.
The difference is ‘turning the barrel’ immediately with the hands versus ‘knob pulling’ with the arms.
Howard turns the barrel. Macias pulls the knob.
Pulling the knob is the same as dragging the bat….it offers poor launch quickness….and will keep a hitter from his potential.
If your weight remains back….loaded into the rear hip and leg….until ‘go’….you also maintain the proper leverage and angles to turn the barrel with the hands. If your weight shift forward to the front leg first….your hands get pulled forward by that shift…they leave the rear armpit….and the only action that can be performed from that position is an arm pull.
That is not high level.
by Teacherman on Dec 27, 2008 8:16 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
As to the barrel bluring comment….notice how and when Howard’s barrel blurs so much it disappears from the video.
When…..or does….Macias’ barrel do the same thing.
This is NOT a strength issue. It is a mechanics issue.
Howard….and all high level hitters gain a mechanical advantage by way of his/their mechanics. It’s called a whip….a cusp….a suddenness of launche. This suddenness is what creates the speed that disappears the barrel.
Macias has no suddenness. No ‘mechancial advantage’. Therefore his barrel does not disappear up and behind his head like it does in Howard and others.
Macias….by way of Yeager…..has a long slow swing that does not offer the launch quickness….nor the speed…..therefore it offers little adjustability and he will struggle dealing with a pitchers arsenal.
And…..to tie all of this together…..Smoak does the same things Macias is doing…..and their is supporting evidence….it is well known he struggles with offspeed pitches.
No surprise to me.
by Teacherman on Dec 27, 2008 8:21 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
It has occured to me that some may not know what is meant by weight shift.
A distinction needs to be made between weight shift and forward momentum.
Forward momentum is just that…..your body moving forward. Momentum is important.
Weight shift is the weight shifting from the rear leg to the front leg.
That is a separate and distinct aspect of the swing.
You can have forward momentum while keeping the weight back. That is a critical element of the high level swing. And, there is a specific technique to doing it that Yeager does not teach….in fact….he teaches the opposite.
Here is a clip of Bonds….

You can see he benefits from forward momentum.
And, you can see, or will be able to see, hopefully ,when I’m done, lol……he doesn’t shift his weight until ‘go’. He launches his hands and his lower body all at once….together….as the ‘stretch’ is released. The stretch that occurs between the rear hip joint and the hand pivot point….accomplished with proper lower body mechanics….and proper upper body mechanics. This stretch is specific…..it is between the rear hip joint and the hand pivot point. It is not a general upper versus lower body stretch. It is not an upper hemisphere versus the lower hemisphere. It is NOT lead arm extension versus the front hip joint. In fact, lead arm extension simply doesn’t happen other than by ‘look’. Something else is happening that gives that appearance. The stretch is NOT accomplished by linear straightline pushes.
You see….there are two running starts that are very important in the high level swing. There is the upper body running start and the lower body running start. The upper body running start is the barrel turning rearward….the lower body running start is the rear hip turning open. They work against each other….providing resistance for each to work against….and they reach a climax when the stretch between them is released….the mechanical advantage I alluded to earlier….at ‘go’. This stretching process is how hitters create a ‘launch window’…..a small period of time between reaching the launch position….and ‘go’….from which the hitter reads the pitch and makes his decision. Without this stretch you will never have the swing quickness to deal with a pitchers arsenal. On the fastball….you ‘release’ early in the window. On the offspeed pitches….you ‘release’ later in the window. And a real key is….when you release later….you actually just continue to stretch. A good thing.
The launch must be sudden. There must be a cusp….a sudden change in direction of the barrel. Some call this a whip. It must happen.
Back to the clip…..Bonds lower body is turning open….his barrel is turning rearward by his hand action. AS this happens he gets forward momentum with a slight push of the rear foot.
Here is the key….while the above is happening….he is working hard….he is not allowing the weight to shift. As his lower body turns open….and as the upper body turns rearward….and as the foot pushes him forward…..he resists that forward momentum with his upper body. His foot is pusing….but his hands will not let the weight shift. His hands have placed a ‘hold’ on the momentum. But….he’s still pushing….something has to give. And what give is…..his hips turn open. His hands/barrel going rearward resists the forward momentum and this forces the hips to open at the rear hip joint. THIS IS WHERE YEAGER BLOWS IT. And, with study….you can see this mistake in all of his hitters. At least all that I’ve seen. PLEASE offer me one that does it right. PLEASE.
This is where his straightline pushes is nonsense. IF a straightline push was all that was happening the hitter will lose his weight…it will shift forward too soon….and it won’t be there when he needs it….at ‘go’.
High level hitters begin their swing process with hip coil…which immediately….without pause….turns to uncoil in the rear hip joint…..they turn in their rear hip joint immediately after the coil. They do not simply push forward from the ground in a linear fashion. There is a push from the ground. It is countered by the upper body resistance. The rear hip joint turning forward…against the upper body/hands/barrel turning rearward….stretches the system….and leads to the sudden launch and spend.
I challenge you to stand up….get in your stance….take your hands back as you push yourself forward with your rear foot. IF you continue to resist the forward momentum as you’re pushing….you will experience turn in the rear hip joint. THis is how the weight is kept back AS you get forward momentum. IF you don’t resist….you will lose your weight….you will get to your front foot before you swing….and it won’t be there at launch.
by Teacherman on Dec 27, 2008 9:33 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeager says rotation occurs as the straightline pushes ‘run into’ the front leg block.
He says there is little rotation before then.
The truth is…..the lower body running start is rotational. Turning in the rear hip starts very early in the swing process.
One last thing may help clarify.
There is start.
And there is ‘go’.
Start….is the running starts.
GO is the actuall launch.
Check out Posada above to see the difference. Notice how far into the process he goes and still checks his swing.
That is because he takes advantage of ‘start’…..to get much of the process out of the way….during the wait time….and then there is ‘go’…..about 3 or 4 frames before contact.
What this means is he can start…..without commiting. And only commits at ‘go’. And this commitment is a continuation of what he started.
Straightline pushes that force the weight to shift before you swing….do not allow this type of running start….where you can go deep into the swing process and still abort.
by Teacherman on Dec 27, 2008 9:42 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Want more….
Interesting that a ‘still’ of Derek Lee was used….and not a clip.
Here is a clip from the same camera angle…

AN OUTSTANDING DEMONSTRATION OF THE HIP ACTION…..that can not be accomplished with straigthline pushes as promoted by Yeager.
Notice from the time Lee’s lead knee finishes it’s coil…..the hips start to uncoil….in the rear hip joint. Yet, he doesn’t go forward much. He knows to ‘save’ his weight….to keep it back….until ‘go’.
I’ve yet to see a Yeager hitter do this.
by Teacherman on Dec 27, 2008 3:11 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Teacherman wrote: “I’ve yet to see a Yeager hitter do this.”
Besides Macias and Butera, who and how many Yeager hitters have you seen?
by RikkyH on Dec 31, 2008 10:22 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Teacherman
I just wanted to say thanks for taking the time to post your thoughts on the swings presented above….I for one have learned a lot and I think you’ve at least made most people think.
I would encourage you to hang around and keep posting as often as possible. I find that I often learn as much through comments (on this site and others) as I do from the articles themselves.
I’ve been a trial member of your site previously….maybe I’ll have to consider joining….
by Lou Brown on Dec 29, 2008 12:01 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
by Teacherman on Jan 4, 2009 7:59 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
I'd love to get short videos of swings as well!
That's why we play the season on paper.
by 306008 on Jan 20, 2009 11:26 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Swing Videos
I as well would like to have some good video swings. I used to go to siggys video clips but is no longer available. Any suggestions on sites? Or send to
TCCoachLance@yahoo.com
by Lancer6 on Jan 22, 2009 12:26 AM PST reply actions 0 recs

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