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Draft Quick Hit: Tanner Scheppers

I looked at a late round sign in Tim Melville, today a quick look at Pirates 2nd rounder Tanner Scheppers who failed to come to terms.  Long story short, he was rated as a surefire Top-10 pick up with Aaron Crow as the the #1 college righty, but before the draft he had some significant shoulder problems.  First it was diagnosed as a stress fracture, which would be completely ridiculous without some sort of trauma, but it turned out to be some rotator cuff and labrum problems after visiting with some of the best in the biz of sports medicine. 

As someone new to pitching (according to the MiLB draft report---and he threw 15 innings freshman year) throwing 91-95 is going to put a lot of stress in new places it's not terribly surprising there's some hurting going on, but lets see if there's some mechanical background as well after the break.

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From an shoulder injury perspective there isn't a whole lot that I can see that's wrong with the back of his arm action.  Low elbow, up at footplant, front side looks fine, honestly he looks nearly identical to Carlos Zambrano.  The one problem I see is in the active breaking of the arm on the follow through, just focus on what happens after release.  That's a ~94 mph of arm speed coming to a stop fairly quickly.  Technically Zambrano even does a similar thing, but he's also one of the biggest human beings I've ever seen at 6'5 255+ and finishes off his shoulder rotation much more---even then he's also been losing fastball velo for 4 years running so who knows.  (For any of you who want to watch the full draft video, here's your link)

From the reverse angle:

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To quote the Disabled List Informer:

The decelerator muscles at this phase are actually in the posterior aspect of the shoulder, i.e. the rotator cuff - particularly the Infraspinatus, Teres Minor, and Supraspinatus - as well as the Triceps (preventing the elbow from flexing), Lower Trapezius/Rhomboids (decelerating the Scapula), the Latissimus Dorsi, which decelerates the trunk as well as the assists in preventing the upper arm from crossing the body), and the Supinator and Wrist Extensors, which decelerate the forearm from continuing into forearm pronation and wrist flexion.

Normally I'm in favor of signing basically every draft pick, especially for a team like the Pirates, but when a new-to-pitching guy has rotator/labrum problems with a flaw that matches the symptoms AND he isn't 100% healthy, it's hard to justify spending the dollars to get it done.  Had he come back this summer throwing at full velocity (I'm operating under the assumption that "he's not throwing his bullpen [sessions] at 100 percent velocity" means he's not remotely at 100% velocity) it'd be a different story, in this case velo=health.  Can't really blame the Pirates here, shoulder injuries are death to pitchers. 

As for Scheppers, if he is healthy I hope he makes a couple of changes---dude just let your arm go, don't stop it---comes back fine and gets the money he would've gotten had this cropped up 3 months later.  Tough gig to go from likely getting 3+ million to what happened.

(Note: tomorrow....or maybe the next day the way I procrastinate....I'll have a tidbit on super draft prospect for '09 Stephen Strasburg)

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hip/shoulder separation

Hard to tell without high-speed film and/or the ability to scrub that video, but it looks like Scheppers doesn’t have the greatest hip/shoulder separation – perhaps that’s putting greater stress on his shoulder. That combined with his truncated follow-through seem to show a guy that’s not using his core muscles enough to generate his velocity, and is relying too much on his arm alone.

I’m going to guess you’ve found a timing flaw in Strasburg’s delivery, and possibly a bit of hyper-abduction.

by kirkd on Aug 27, 2008 8:28 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I wouldn't really say that

I’m wary I’m committing cofirmation bias on the arm stoppage to start with to some degree, but if he hadn’t had an injury I wouldn’t remotely draw the hip/shoulder separation deficit conclusion (if there even is one which is questionable at best).

Like I said he apparently only started pitching his senior year in HS, coming out and then throwing 90+ innings of 95 mph fastballs after 15 innings his freshman year helps make him injury prone in the first place. I’d first place blame on that before anything really.

by nickmueller on Aug 28, 2008 12:18 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Do you think

he breaks his hands late? Could that contribute to any of it?

Don't forget to send your broken maples to the US Forest Service.

by 306008 on Sep 6, 2008 6:54 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

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