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World Series Batting Order Optimizer: New York Yankees

Jeter: I'm hitting WHERE at a baseball game?
Girardi: (stares silently at a baseball game)
A-Rod: (smugly) We're playing this late in the year at a baseball game WHY? I'm going to have to hook up with a second-rate actress who likes hanging out in a warmer place.

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Jeter: I'm hitting WHERE at a baseball game? Girardi: (stares silently at a baseball game) A-Rod: (smugly) We're playing this late in the year at a baseball game WHY? I'm going to have to hook up with a second-rate actress who likes hanging out in a warmer place.

So there's a big game tonight. CC Sabathia and Cliff Lee are facing off in a matchup destined to stab Cleveland fans in the fork with an eye for ages to come. And it's also a chance for me to write about something that, while I it doesn' t matter all that much -- 5 to 15 runs over a full season, so almost irrelevant in a 7 game series -- I obsess over constantly: batting order.

During the season, I had an occasional series called the Lousy Lineup Optimizer. Obviously, the two teams in the World Series have not-so-lousy lineups, and it was a fun chance to mess around with some batting orders full of great hitters. I'd meant to start yesterday, but these things take a while to put together to account for platoon splits, etc. I'll hopefully post on the Phillies tomorrow. Indeed, I'd wanted to do this for all the playoff teams, but 1) it was going to take too much time -- series would be over before I got all the teams posted; and 2) if there's anything we've learned from reading MGL's posts on the Book Blog, it's that you can't just use current season stats to judge a player's ability -- you need something like a projection. Earlier, I was using the ZiPS Rest of Season stats, but the season is over. My pseudo-Marcels spreadsheet was frustrating me. But then Acta Sports made the 2010 BIll James projections to be published in the 2010 Bill James Handbook (now available for pre-order!) available to SB Nation writers. I figure next season isn't that far off. I'm no posting these as "my" projections, but just using them to get an idea of the relative abiltiies of the players of each team for putting together a batting order.

Again, batting order doesn't matter all that much, but you'd think that teams in the World Series would want to maximize their chances any way they can. It's also interesting because they'll need for put together batting orders both with and without a DH. Let's see what the Yankees should do.

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Lineup Optimization by The Book

If you've been following the Lousy Lineup Optimization series, you know what all this nonsense is about, so feel free to skim or skip all the way down the the batting order tables in the "Getting to the Point" section. If you aren't somewhat familiar with The Book's ideas on lineup optimization, it's at least worth skimming this section. The general principles are largely drawn from The Book, which is worth checking out on this and many other topics. Sky Kalkman gives a good, brief rundown in this article. While there is already good stuff out there, I like to do this kind of stuff for myself

Here are a few of the guidelines (with my own twists). 

  • "It's all relative." Although this isn't directly stated in The Book or in any of the summaries I've seen, I think it's worth noting: the appropriate spot in the batting order for any particular player is relative. People talk about having a "true leadoff man" or a "#4 hitter" or that a player has a swing that's just perfect for hitting #2 or whatever. But the truth is, a player's "best" place in a lineup depends on his skills relative to the other players.
  • Where should the best hitter hit? The best five hitters (by wOBA or equivalent stat (e.g., not OPS) should be in the top five spots. Of those 5, generally, the best hitters will be in the #1, #2, and #4 spots. Ideally, of these three the hitter in the #1 spot will have the best OBP, the #4 hitter will have the most power, and the #2 hitter will be somewhere in between (relative to the #1 and #4 hitters). The best hitter will probably be in the #2 or #4 spot. The fourth and fifth best hitters will be in the #5 and #3 spots, respectively. Yes, you read that right: the #3 hitter's only advantage in run expectancy over #5 is in home runs. Of the top five spots, this is where you want your low-OBP slugger. As we'll see, platoon issues can make getting the best into the ## 1,2 and 4 slots tough, but getting them into the top 5 is pretty close.
  • The other half: In slots ##6-9, simply go in descending order of hitter quality, keeping in mind:
  • Platoon issues: Separating lefties takes a certain precedence, since this prevents the opposing team from leveraging LHPs against your lefties, who generally have bigger platoon splits. Moreover, given platoon splits (more on how these are generated in the next section), different batting orders against RHP and LHP are in order (har har). This also means that if your best hitters are lefties, they may not get into the "ideal" spots next to each other.
  • Can pinch hitting help? Note that in the chapter on platoons, the authors of The Book show that pinch hitting to gain the platoon advantage really doesn't solve this and other problems since the penalty pinch hitters suffer from the difficulty of  hitting off of the bench offsets the platoon advantage they might gain.
  • Speed on the bases: Baserunning and basestealing are important, but are difficult to place, since often (but not always) the same players are good at both. In general, you want good baserunners (aside from stealing -- those good at taking the extra base, scoring from first on a double, etc.) in front of good contact hitters who can "move them over." Basestealers are best leveraged in front of poor hitters who have trouble moving them over. In both cases, if possible, avoid putting these players in front of high-power hitters, since this negates the advantage of those skills. So while your good baserunner might best be utilized at the top of the order (e.g., in front of a #2 hitter with moderate power), your best basestealer will likely be best utilized in further down the order in front of poor hitters -- say, in the #5 or #6 spot.
  • The Jim Rice Effect. Some spots have a greater odds of facing double play situations. The spot that sees the most DP situations is #3 by far, followed by #2. Therefore, try to avoid having high GDP players in those spots. The spot that sees the least (particularly in the NL) is the leadoff spot. So some times if you have an excellent hitter who also hits into a good number of DPs, even if he is slow, it might be worth it to move him into the leadoff spot.
  • Movin' on up: The "second leadoff hitter" theory has some validity -- having a #9 hitter who can "set the table" for the top of the order does increase run expectancy, so putting the worst hitter 8th sometimes helps. However, this worst hitter has to be really, really horrible in order for the advantage to obtain. In other words, in National League parks, hitting the pitcher 8th is the smart move according to The Book, although it is worth noting that Tom Tango wrote the chapter on lineups, and Mitchel Litchman (aka "MGL") is more circumspect regarding the value of the pitcher hitting 8th.
  • Remember that who is in the lineup is much more important that what order it goes in. So relax -- despite my nitpicking over two points of wOBA here and there, it really doesn' t matter that much. But it sure is fun to quibble...

Projected Stats, Sources, and Ground Rules for this Series

  • Who gets in? Again ultimately, who is in the lineup is more important than what order they go in. Having said that, in this occasional series my focus is opposite issue -- the order. So I'm generally going to accept whatever group of players the manager is throwing out there, whether I think it is the right group or not. I won't always get this right, since lineups change day-to-day depending on how players are feelings, how much acid reflux the manager had the night before, etc.
  • Where are those numbers coming from?, the basics: As I said above, I'm using the 2010 projections from the 2010 Bill James Handbook for wOBA/AVG/OBP/SLG and SB/CS (prorated for ~150 games). The other numbers are explained elsewhere.
  • Who is the better hitter? From these stats, I will generate a wOBA (if it isn't done already, such as at FanGraphs) for each player. wOBA (weighted on-base average), for those who don't know, is the total offensive value stat that has taken the baseball internet by storm. Introduced by the authors of The Book and invented by Tom Tango, wOBA takes care of all the problems OPS had in terms of the weighting of OBP and SLG, doubles and home runs. It's roughly on an OBP scale, so something between .330-.340 is about average. For the version used at FanGraphs, .330 was about the MLB nonpitcher average in 2008.  You can read more around the 'net, but in short: if one player has a better wOBA than another, he's a more productive hitter, period. wOBA for players can be found at FanGraphs and Stat Corner, for now, and probably more places as time moves on...
  • What about platoon splits? As The Book  also explains (I'm telling you, you really should read it!), while each player has his own platoon split, it takes a lot longer than you would think to establish it -- it takes about 2,000 PAs against LHP for right-handed hitters to be able to say with some degree of confidence what their platoon split is -- so that's means only guys in the league a long time. For left-handed hitters, since there is more variability, it doesn't take as long -- about 1,000 PAs. Still, only veterans really get that far. Until then, most players should be assumed to have the league average platoon split. So, following the procedure used in by the authors for earlier years, I took the average wOBA and  OBP splits for the 2005-2008 AL (it was easier to exclude pitchers that way) and applied them to each player. The only stats I will be adjusting this for are wOBA and OBP. BA, SLG, ISO are the generic ones, just to get a sense of the "kind" of hitter a guy is, obviously, those will change, too. but are harder to adjust for generically. In the "vs. RHP" and "vs. LHP" lineups, the wOBA and OBP figures are adjusted for league-average splits, and are thus italicized. [For more on estimating platoon skills, read this.]
  • What about Stolen Bases? I took the linear weights SB/CS runs projected by ZiPS before the season and prorated for ~600 PAs.
  • And baserunning? A bit more complicated... In the previous installments, I used Baseball Prospectus'  EQBRR stats minus the stolen basees component. But I realized that what we're really looking here is just the runners ability to advance on hits, so starting with the Giants, I'm just  using the EqHAR component. I did a primitive Marcels-type projection with them, without age adjustments, but with regression  incorporating the Speed Score listed in the CHONE projections. Just to get a feel for the relative abilty of the baserunners, I projected runs values above/below average per 50 advancement opportunities. The listed numbers are projected baserunning runs above/below average per 600 PAs.
  • How about grounding into double plays? In short, the new Baseball Reference came out with information on GiDPs, opps, league averages and stuff. So I was able to do another pseudo-Marcel. The number listed is the GiDP runs above (avoided) or below (grounded into ) average per 600 PAs, normalized for the average number of opportunities seen over 600 PAs from 2005-2008. 

Getting to the Point

Below are the raw, un-platooned stats from the 2010 Bill James projections for the Yankees with some other stuff. This isn't an any particular order. If it was up to me, Brett Gardner would start in center over Melky, but whatever. Remember, these aren't my projections, I'm just using them for convenience. Get mad at Bill James if you think this is unfair to Damon or whatever.

 

Player Pos. wOBA AVG OBP SLG ISO EqHAR SBr GDPr
Jorge Posada C S .366 .276 .372 .467 .191 -2.2 -0.3 -0.7
Mark Teixeira 1B S .305 .300 .395 .559 .259 -0.4 0.0 1.0
Robinson Cano 2B L .359 .309 .347 .489 .180 0.3 -0.5 -0.8
Derek Jeter SS R .365 .317 .388 .444 .127 0.5 0.8 -1.5
Alex Rodriguez 3B R .403 .294 .400 .550 .256 0.3 0.7 -0.8
Johnny Damon LF L .347 .278 .355 .430 .152 0.4 0.9 2.1
Melky Cabrera CF S .330 .278 .341 .406 .128 0.2 0.3 -0.3
Nick Swisher RF S .360 .247 .365 .467 .220 0.4 -0.2 0.3
Hideki  Matsui DH L .367 .282 .367 .475 .193 0.4 -0.3 1.0

 

So here we go... I'll start would with the "vs. LHP" lineups since the series is starting with the Yankees going against Cliff Lee.

Optimized Yankees Batting Order vs. LHP w/ DH

Player Pos wOBA AVG OBP SLG ISO EqHAR SBr GDPr
Derek Jeter SS R .383 .317 .409 .444 .127 0.5 0.8 -1.5
Mark Teixeira 1B S .395 .300 .395 .559 .259 -0.4 0.0 1.0
Hideki  Matsui DH L .348 .282 .349 .475 .193 0.4 -0.3 1.0
Alex Rodriguez 3B R .422 .294 .421 .550 .256 0.3 0.7 -0.8
Jorge Posada C S .366 .276 .372 .467 .191 -2.2 -0.3 -0.7
Nick Swisher RF S .360 .247 .365 .467 .220 0.4 -0.2 0.3
Robinson Cano 2B L .340 .309 .330 .489 .180 0.3 -0.5 -0.8
Melky Cabrera CF S .330 .278 .341 .406 .128 0.2 0.3 -0.3
Johnny Damon LF L .329 .278 .338 .430 .152 0.4 0.9 2.1

 

[NB: The italicized columns have been adjusted generically to account for platoon splits.]

Comments: It's pretty hard to put a bad batting order together with the Yankees. The main problem here was that in my "ideal" order, I had a bunch of lefties back-to-back at the bottom. Swisher really works well in the #3 spot, given his relative expected wOBA, his ability to avoid the DP, and home run frequency. However, then you end up with all lefties stacked up at the bottom of the order. To accomodate all that, I switched Matsui (surprisingly good at avoiding the DP last I updated) into the #3 spot. Most of my adjustments were made with these sorts of considerations -- with a powerful lineup like this, you don't worry to much about leveraging basestealers. Jeter leading off makes sense not only because he's a good hitter and baserunner, but beacause it also puts him in a position to see the fewest DP opportunities. Mark Teixeira hitting #2 might seem strange, but that's just because we're used to seeing sub-par hitters in that spot. He or A-Rod could switch, as A-Rod's baserunning might make sense in front of a contact hitter like Matsui. On the other hand, Teixeira is better at avoiding the DP, and the #2 spot sees them a bit more often. Also, the #4 spot leads off more innings. Damon at the bottom? Talk to Bill James. The Yanks can't use a DH every game, though, so...

Optimized Yankees Batting Order vs. LHP, no DH

Player Pos wOBA AVG OBP SLG ISO EqHAR SBr GDPr
Derek Jeter SS R .383 .317 .409 .444 .127 0.5 0.8 -1.5
Mark Teixeira 1B S .395 .300 .395 .559 .259 -0.4 0.0 1.0
Nick Swisher RF S .360 .247 .365 .467 .220 0.4 -0.2 0.3
Alex Rodriguez 3B R .422 .294 .421 .550 .256 0.3 0.7 -0.8
Jorge Posada C S .366 .276 .372 .467 .191 -2.2 -0.3 -0.7
Robinson Cano 2B L .340 .309 .330 .489 .180 0.3 -0.5 -0.8
Melky Cabrera CF S .330 .278 .341 .406 .128 0.2 0.3 -0.3
Pitcher P
Johnny Damon LF L .329 .278 .338 .430 .152 0.4 0.9 2.1

 

[NB: The italicized columns have been adjusted generically to account for platoon splits.]

Comment: Very similar to above, with Matsui switched out, and Swisher getting into the #3 spot. This is really a "perfect: sort of lineup (you can put the pitcher #8 or #9 depending on how you feel about that issue) -- the top 5 hitters are in the top five spots, the worst DP guy is a good hitter who can lead off. You have the best three hitters 1,2, and 4, the 4th best hitter #5, and the 5th best #3, and the 5th best has a lot of home run power to maximize his more frequent 2 out opportunities. Tons of power in the middle of this lineup, as ##2-4 all have expected (before platoon!) ISOs over .200.

 

Optimized Yankees Batting Order vs. RHP, w/ DH
Player Pos wOBA AVG OBP SLG ISO EqHAR SBr GDPr
Robinson Cano 2B L .369 .309 .355 .489 .180 0.3 -0.5 -0.8
Alex Rodriguez 3B R .397 .294 .393 .550 .256 0.3 0.7 -0.8
Hideki  Matsui DH L .377 .282 .376 .475 .193 0.4 -0.3 1.0
Mark Teixeira 1B S .405 .300 .395 .559 .259 -0.4 0.0 1.0
Jorge Posada C S .366 .276 .372 .467 .191 -2.2 -0.3 -0.7
Nick Swisher RF S .360 .247 .365 .467 .220 0.4 -0.2 0.3
Derek Jeter SS R .359 .317 .381 .444 .127 0.5 0.8 -1.5
Johnny Damon LF L .356 .278 .364 .430 .152 0.4 0.9 2.1
Melky Cabrera CF S .330 .278 .341 .406 .128 0.2 0.3 -0.3

 

[NB: The italicized columns have been adjusted generically to account for platoon splits.]

Comments: Now this is a revisionary  lineup! I personally find the "boy Derek Jeter is overrated I hate him so much A-Rod is so much better!" thing to be tired, even if certain sitcom writers still think it's clever. I guess my feeling at this point is "Duh." But this is just what the projections, platoon, and batting order principles spit out. Cano is a good hitter vs. RHP who also has GDP problems. I don't worry too much about his hitting with runners in scoring position (even if Steven Goldman seemingly can't stop mentioning it for some strange reason), but if you do worry about that, then hitting him #1 also takes care of that issue. Again, A-Rod and Teixeria could switch. I figured that Teixeira would have more power  vs. RHP than A-Rod, so I put it this way, perhaps A-Rod's baserunning will be more useful in front of Matsui. It's a testament to the strength of the lineup that not only is Jeter hitting #7, but even against RHP, I have Damon hitting #8. And it works out, since Jeter and Damon's baserunning abilities are better leveraged in front of guys with less power like Melky and Cano than in front of power hitters like A-Rod, Tex, and Swisher.

 

Optimized Yankees Batting Order vs. RHP, no DH
Player Pos wOBA AVG OBP SLG ISO EqHAR SBr GDPr
Robinson Cano 2B L .369 .309 .355 .489 .180 0.3 -0.5 -0.8
Alex Rodriguez 3B R .397 .294 .393 .550 .256 0.3 0.7 -0.8
Nick Swisher RF S .360 .247 .365 .467 .220 0.4 -0.2 0.3
Mark Teixeira 1B S .405 .300 .395 .559 .259 -0.4 0.0 1.0
Jorge Posada C S .366 .276 .372 .467 .191 -2.2 -0.3 -0.7
Derek Jeter SS R .359 .317 .381 .444 .127 0.5 0.8 -1.5
Johnny Damon LF L .356 .278 .364 .430 .152 0.4 0.9 2.1
Pitcher P








Melky Cabrera CF S .330 .278 .341 .406 .128 0.2 0.3 -0.3

 

[NB: The italicized columns have been adjusted generically to account for platoon splits.]

Comments: Once again, Matsui's absence allow Swisher's home run power to get into the #3 spot where it belongs. Other than that, not much of a difference here. I should mention than in all four batting orders, I strongly considered putting A-Rod first because the best hitter could be in #1, #2, or #4, he's a good baserunner, and he also has a bit of a GDP issue (although it's not like Jeter's).

So that's it! What are the odds Joe Girardi does something like this? Greater than the odds of Kate Hudson making a movie that isn't a crappy romantic comedy? Greater than the odds of Ken Tremendous not bitching about a bunt? I dunno. I do know that I like talking about this stuff even if (wait for it) ... it doesn't matter all that much. Tell me what I did wrong!

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Nice work!

Really like everything you’ve done here… I thought this was just going to be another link to David Pinto’s lineup tool, but this is much better than all of that. Also really like the treatment of platoon splits, baserunning, etc, etc.

The only potential knock is the choice of projection systems. Projection systems are admittedly mostly the same in accuracy, but I tend to be the least plussed about Bill James’ among the major systems. Run environment seems to border on bizarroland, and “he” (I’m not sure that James actually plays any role in these projections) tends to miss high on a lot of players vs. other systems. At least, those are my qualitative impressions.

I think ZiPS 2010 projections are out for the Yankees and (maybe?) Phillies… I tend to put more stock into them.
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by JinAZ on Oct 28, 2009 10:03 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I agree about the James projections

I wanted to use ZiPS (actually, I wanted to use my own in-season tool, but got frustrated with some problems with it earlier this season and put it away for the sake of time/sanity), but couldn’t find the Phillies 2010 projections. But like I said above, with batting order its the relative skills of the players within one team that really matters.

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by devil_fingers on Oct 28, 2009 10:07 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

and I don't think the relative "rankings" are that horrible

it’s just an example

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by devil_fingers on Oct 28, 2009 10:08 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

one more t hing

can we talk Rally into doing an in-season projection tool/true talent thingy?

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by devil_fingers on Oct 28, 2009 10:09 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Good stuff as always d_f

Loved the “Jeter 7th” lineup, and the reasoning is all there. Sure to cause a stir, of course.

by SFiercex4 on Oct 28, 2009 10:12 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

yeah, it's all a function of the projection of him and the others

on a lot of other teams, a .359 wOBA (a James projection, so take it with a grain of salt) vs. RHP would be the best of the team.

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by devil_fingers on Oct 28, 2009 10:26 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

what about figuring in what happens after the starter has left the game?

(unless Cliff Lee is pitching, apparently)
I realize this is adding complexity on top of complexity that is already stacked on other complexity, but putting Cano over Jeter seems shortsighted in the sense that once the opponent goes to the ‘pen, Jeter becomes the better hitter again. Maybe you can take into account the starter’s likelihood of lasting into the late innings (not that you should, b/c this appears difficult enough as it is), just something to think about.

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by benfunke on Oct 29, 2009 9:13 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

No matter what the batting order is

when it comes to relievers, they can always choose to bring in a lefty to face Cano or whomever, whether he’s hitting 1st, 7th, or wherever.

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by devil_fingers on Oct 29, 2009 10:07 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

but if Cano’s 1st, it’s more likely that he will be the batter instead of Jeter.

the more i think about it, the more i realize there are many levels of variables for this part of the equation (literally) – for instance: maybe Cano has a worse split, but then who the next batter is affects the decision of whether to bring in a lefty-specialist or not (and so does the makeup of the opponent’s bullpen, etc.).

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by benfunke on Oct 29, 2009 10:35 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

These are really cool to look through

As a Cardinals fan I find myself wondering where the heck you’d put Albert Pujols in an optimized lineup? He’s clearly one of the best five hitters, and he tends to have the best OBP and the best power on the team as well. Do you just take your pick?
Also the caption on the photo is good stuff in a baseball game.

Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.

by mattybobo on Oct 28, 2009 10:44 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

vivaelpujols asked about the Cardinals earlier this season

the problem was that they weren’t bad enough to make the “lousy” series (as far as it went — like I said, it’s a lot of work), but not good enough to make the WS, I guess.

In short: it all depends on where everyone else hits, handedness, etc.. I’d say probably 4th or 2nd, since he’ll always. It wouldn’t make a huge difference. Just making sure he’s in the lineup is the thing, just like with any other great player. And make sure that if he’s not hitting second, that someone good is. That’s the most common and costly mistake managers make — putting subpar hitters #2.

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by devil_fingers on Oct 28, 2009 10:56 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Phillies Projections

I haven’t posted them yet, but I’m up to Padres (in the middle of Padres), so I have Phillies.

Utley: 301/398/528, 137 OPS+
Howard: 273/367/572, 137 OPS+
Ibanez: 289/357/531, 125
Werth: 272/369/495, 121
Victorino: 290/355/442, 104
Rollins: 274/329/448, 98
Dobbs: 283/329/447, 98
Stairs: 249/356/429, 102
Ruiz: 251/341/391, 89
Feliz: 258/300/397, 78

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by D.Szymborski on Oct 28, 2009 4:01 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

If only the Dodgers had made the WS

or some other team that was alphabetically before the Padres…

I need a full line to generate a wOBA, although I’ve thought of using 1.8*OBP+SLG for the sake of ease…

OH well, I’ll drive the James horse all the way home since I left with it already.

Thanks, Dan. Any news on an in-season “true talent” version of ZiPs for 2010?

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by devil_fingers on Oct 28, 2009 10:33 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

For the 2009 season I found that 1.66*OBP +SLG is closer to wOBA.

I know that there is some context to 1.8, but 1.66 is more accurate this season.

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by Jeff Zimmerman (TucsonRoyal) on Oct 28, 2009 10:41 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

You forgot that Nick Swisher sucks.

This is the playoffs, people. No time to regress to the mean, or whatever the bagels that means(’scuse the French).

For all practical purposes… I could never see a lineup starting with Posada. I’m assuming Girardi is trying to keep his job. I remember seeing “optimized” lineups with Troy Glaus and Doumit leading off, IIRC. Even if they’re the best option on-base wise, I don’t see how it’s better to have them lead off where they can’t score from first on a double or from second on a single. I’d probably just rather have them in the girth of the lineup.

Just thought I’d question it.

by Daniel Berlyn on Oct 28, 2009 10:07 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Depends on who is behind them in the order, I guess

If A-Rod or Howard is behidn you, you aren’t gong to have that much trouble scoring

I assume you’re joking about Swisher.

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by devil_fingers on Oct 28, 2009 10:34 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I feel as though the optimized lineup is somewhat more trivial if not for a good offense

if your offense isn’t so good, you probably want your high OBP guy somewhere other than first. You probably also want to maximize every opportunity to score with runners on. Most lineups aren’t like the Yankees and Phillies, where it makes sense to put a great hitter like Utley first. On many teams, Utley would be the best power hitter and even Posada for some. But yes, in this context it makes a little more sense- my point is if you can’t afford to put your strongest OB guys at the top you might as well settle for good baserunning.

by Daniel Berlyn on Oct 29, 2009 4:05 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

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