News: High School Games Started, Other News, More Apologies
The high school team that I coach started games yesterday. We played 6/7ths of a great game, meaning that we lost by allowing one big inning. As many of you know, I coach a Freshmen team in the Seattle area, and due to the size of our school, we play nearly no C-level (Freshmen equivalent) teams, opting to play Eastside JV programs - often packed with sophomore and juniors!
As a result, we often have a tough season facing very stiff competition. Nevertheless, it's a great opportunity to play and improve, and I feel that we have a pretty good shot to turn in a good year.
Since this takes up 5 days of my week and working graveyard shifts severely screws up my sleeping schedule, I hope you can all understand the lack of pitching mechanics-related updates. Articles in the can include:
- Yu Darvish (not a fan)
- Stephen Strasburg, Redux (not a fan of his mechanics; he's Mark Prior II - does NOT mean the Nationals should pass on him in the draft)
- Madison Bumgarner (no opinion yet)
- Edinson Volquez (no opinion yet)
- Brett Cecil (not a fan initially - this should be a collaborative effort with ProspectTube.com, but I've been quite lazy)
- Initial model of the Pitcher Risk Database!
I've been surrounded by baseball a ton, so trust me, my love has not waned. In the meantime, check out what Trip Somers is writing about over at TexasLeaguers.com - he picked up a high-speed camera as well and is scouting some amateur baseball in Texas. For example, you can read his scouting reports (like this one on Gerrit Cole of UCLA) or his initial work on biomechanics (like Brandon McCarthy: Notes on Weight Gain).
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Thank for the plug.
I recently hit up Surprise, AZ for Texas Rangers spring training and I’ve got 20 pitchers in high-speed glory to go through over the next several months (including Feliz, Holland, McCarthy, and a bunch more).
I’ve also got some more amateur stuff on the way: Ryan Berry (Rice), Logan Verrett (Baylor), Trevor Bauer (UCLA), and Taylor Wall (Rice).
Good luck with the freshmen. Don’t let the parents get you down.
by NoNameOnCard on Mar 24, 2009 10:12 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Cool.
I look forward to 210 FPS video of Feliz and Holland!
This is my second year with the program. The parents up here are actually quite fine.
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by Kyle Boddy on Mar 24, 2009 6:17 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Gee whiz
The first thing I thought when I saw Darvish pitch was something like, “I’m pretty sure Kyle’s not going to be impressed by his mechanics.”
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by baetown415 on Mar 24, 2009 11:16 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Question about high school pitchers
don’t know muich about it. How many pitches do your freshman starters usually have? Is is usually just fastball-changeup stuff?
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by devil_fingers on Mar 24, 2009 12:36 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
+1
I’d like to know how old you recommend a kid to be before they start throwing curves.
"It doesn't look like he's trying. It kinda pisses me off," "He could throw 110 if he tried. The way it explodes out of his hand is really something special." ~ B-Mac on Feliz.
by Kinslerhomer on Mar 24, 2009 3:04 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Breaking balls
It doesn’t matter how old you are – I will never teach you how to throw a traditional, supinated curve. I refuse.
As for breaking balls in general, I prefer that pitchers with real talent get hitters out with fastball command and changeups alone. Any pitcher worth his salt can strike out mediocre high school hitters with an average breaking ball, but the truth is that fastball command and velocity are what impress scouts – not loopy breaking balls that would get crushed in college or Rookie ball.
Still, I know they’ll throw what they want, when they want. At age 14, they’re old enough to make decisions for themselves – I just try and guide them along the way and tell them what to expect down the line.
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by Kyle Boddy on Mar 24, 2009 6:25 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
What’s the name of the curveball you would teach a kid? (I think it’s the Marshall one but I’m not sure).
Also, what about the splitter and the screwball?
Aaron King is still my homeboy... iffy mechanics and all
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by baetown415 on Mar 24, 2009 10:14 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I teach a pronated curveball two different ways – the Maxline Pronation Curveball is Dr. Marshall’s pitch. They also learn a pronated-release slider, which is very similar to the Japanese gyroball.
The Maxline Fastball Sinker is what I prefer to teach them in lieu of a true “splitter,” and I don’t actively teach a reverse breaking ball (screwball). I prefer to stick with a four-seam / two-seam fastball, breaking ball, and offspeed pitch – filling their head with so many pitches tends to be counterproductive, in my experience.
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by Kyle Boddy on Mar 24, 2009 11:01 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks Kyle
I asked about the screwball because the one from that ’99 video of Jeff Sparks looks pretty awesome.
Aaron King is still my homeboy... iffy mechanics and all
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by baetown415 on Mar 25, 2009 12:20 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good questions.
First of all, my pitchers should be on a long toss, conditioning, and wrist weight program three months prior to the start of the season – I designed a custom program for them. As high school kids are wanton to do, only one of them not playing winter sports (those kids were exempt) took it seriously, so he throws 75-80 pitches per game. I will be working with him individually and giving him the most attention on fixing his mechanics, as I’ve told the kids that I’m only interested in helping those who are willing to put in the work when the coaches aren’t watching. Freshmen typically come around in a year after they lose in a few blowouts and figure out how much work it takes to compete in our division.
Now that I’m off that tangent, I’ll address your question – they typically come in throwing a fastball, curve, and sometimes a changeup. I’m extremely impressed if their hands are big enough and they’ve mastered the concept of throwing an offspeed pitch; typically the best pitchers come up through Select ball throwing just a fastball/slider or fastball/curve combination.
When I work with pitchers individually, after five lessons, they’re equipped with a physical fitness program that they must do on their own as well as the grips for two fastballs, two breaking balls, and one offspeed pitch – which ones they end up using is a personal decision of theirs. I let pitchers and catchers call their own games and throw their own pitches; I try not to get involved in the details of a game – that’s their time.
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by Kyle Boddy on Mar 24, 2009 6:22 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Can't wait for Bumgarner!
"Clogging up the bases isn't that great to me." -Dusty Baker on OBP
by vtcub on Mar 24, 2009 2:29 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Strasburg high speed video
I assume you’ve seen this already, but I didn’t notice it until earlier today.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-6qkbVGbqTc
Abrupt deceleration of the arm during follow through was the first thing, okay the only thing, I noticed right away. His labrum will be toast in no time if he keeps that up. Here’s hoping the Nats have someone in the organization who can sort him out because it would be fun to see what he can do with all that natural ability.
by Mattbert on Mar 25, 2009 9:53 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
And now I see that was a safe assumption, as you’ve already posted it here. D’oh.
by Mattbert on Mar 25, 2009 10:02 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Ynoa analysis anytime soon?
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by harendaman365 on Mar 26, 2009 4:31 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
As soon as I get video of him throwing in competition.
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by Kyle Boddy on Mar 26, 2009 7:49 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

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