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Quick Note: Elbow Problems

Many readers will notice that Justin Duchscherer will undergo arthroscopic elbow surgery. Here on Driveline Mechanics, I said that The Duke has some of the best mechanics in baseball, and additionally was one of my favorite pitchers to watch with his underwhelming arsenal of stuff.

I would like to point out (as I always seem to do) that I can't control the fact that 99.9% of pitchers in the major leagues throw at least one breaking ball with a supinated grip. Due to this, they'll all have inflamed elbows and eventually will suffer elbow damage - regardless of how their mechanics grade out otherwise.

This is a major hurdle for the Pitcher Risk Database - without high-speed up-close video of every pitch a pitcher throws, I can't say for sure if a pitcher releases his curve or slider with a pronated grip - but it's extremely unlikely, since the bulk of instruction is a thumbs-up pull-down-the-lampshade garden variety stuff that will damage the back of the elbow.

All I can do is grade the tempo, arm action, ball release, and followthrough. Perhaps, with time, I'll acquire the means and the facilities to biomechanically analyze pitchers like ASMI does. I can only say that this is a major life goal of mine, and that all of the money I earn from coaching indvidual players (which isn't much) is saved to bring that concept to reality.

EDIT: I should clarify - I teach curveballs thrown with a supinated grip, however, I teach pitchers pronate through release. The only pitch thrown with a pronated grip is a screwball (and to lesser extents, fastballs and changeups). Sorry for the confusion.

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Can you explain supinated vs. pronated breaking pitch grips?

I’ve been reading your site since the summer, and I don’t remember seeing an explanation of that. I know supination is step one of “the beach is that way” and pronation is step two, and that RHP should show the ball to third, rather than second, when throwing a fastball, but beyond that I know very little about how pronation and supination applies pitch grip.

by Decatur on Mar 28, 2009 8:59 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

This article might be what you’re looking for. Supinating is when you already have the forearm pronated and then you “turn the door knob” in the opposite direction through release, which is what most pitchers do on their breaking pitches.

by VictorW on Mar 28, 2009 12:20 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Unacceptable

I’m blaming you the downfall of my fantasy season.

Bringing you more-or-less replacement level analysis and commentary to Driveline Mechanics and elsewhere since sometime in 2008.

by devil_fingers on Mar 28, 2009 9:18 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

your dream can be realized

you don’t need facilities like ASMI operates in order to analyze pitchers… you need two high speed video cameras, a decent computer, and an understanding of a little analytic geometry… you can calculate joint torques, forces, everything… all from your back yard… and the portable cameras mean you can film any game, practice, bullpen session you want… ASMI can only film guys who come into their lab… if you’re interested this is something i can help you set up…

by gorilla_baller on Mar 28, 2009 9:33 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Yes, yes, one thousand times yes!

I have one high speed video camera and can acquire another one if necessary. I’ll shoot you an email from your SB Nation profile; if that doesn’t work, please contact me – kyle @ drivelinemechanics . com.

Thanks.

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by Kyle Boddy on Mar 29, 2009 6:18 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Throwing Breaking Balls

Kyle,

Can you provide a detailed explanation of how you teach pitchers to throw curveballs and sliders? Video/photo demonstration would be really helpful as well

by Lou Brown on Mar 30, 2009 12:27 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Good idea

I think I will do this in the near future.

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by Kyle Boddy on Mar 30, 2009 5:58 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Gracias

I’m looking forward to it…thanks!

by Lou Brown on Mar 31, 2009 10:55 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

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