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"Lonnie Soloff, the Indians' head athletic trainer, said Monday that right-hander Jason Knapp, one of the key pieces to the deal, will undergo arthroscopic surgery to remove loose bodies from his right shoulder Tuesday in New York. Soloff said Knapp, 19, should be 100 percent by spring training."

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Like a bench press performed incorrectly (elbows chicken-winged out), there’s a certain "stretch" that you feel in the shoulder that can easily be mistaken for feeling good. Even Nyman’s followers describe it as a "stretch" during the scapular loading phase of their concept of the ideal pitching delivery – they claim the timing of the scapula is key to velocity. Not surprisingly, I disagree.

When you tell a kid who is desperately trying to increase his release velocity that he needs to put his arm in a certain position and that he’ll feel a stretch, he’ll take it as positive feedback – even if it doesn’t actually feel good, he’ll think he’s doing something right.

Lots of pitchers go home after their start with their elbow on fire or their shoulder in extreme pain thinking that it’s normal – I remember feeling the same way myself. But it’s not normal, and it’s not necessary. It is insanity.

I did not get a chance to look at Jason Knapp and to make judgments based on one still photograph is a bit much. Still, it’s not terribly surprising. Fortunately, it’s not major reconstructive surgery on his pitching shoulder. Maybe it will be a wakeup call to Jason, letting him know that he must change the way he applies force to the baseball.

But I doubt it.

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by Kyle Boddy on Sep 14, 2009 8:35 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Also, worth repeating:

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by Kyle Boddy on Sep 14, 2009 8:36 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

As much as I discount still images for injury analysis,

ow.

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by hazel on Sep 15, 2009 3:51 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Big righty that already missed time for shoulder ailments? I don’t know man. Wait, he throws hard? Holy shit, here take Cliff Lee.

by Screwball-77 on Sep 14, 2009 8:48 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I don't think

you should be trading for pitchers who are at sever risk of injury but the Indians seem not to mind doing it.

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by E5 on Sep 14, 2009 9:37 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Well, given that most pitchers are at risk for injury

It seems that it might not be a terrible strategy to take the ones with the most upside. As Kyle has mentioned, basically every major leaguer throws a supinated curve, and even if they didn’t they could break down from any number of other pitching related injuries. Pitcher injury is a little bit of truth (IE, the flawed mechanics that Kyle detailed so much) and a lot of randomness.

by vivaelpujols on Sep 14, 2009 10:37 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Given the mechanisms of injury...

Supinated pitches are a risk factor, but they are a risk factor for a fairly uncommon (compared to ligament issues) and relatively mild elbow problem. Typically, supinated pitches cause irregular bone growth – lengthening, spurs, chips – that doesn’t require nearly as long to recover from and can often be pitched through.

Shoulder and UCL risk factors are more important than supination is.

All that said, I’m not sure what exactly you have to do to get loose bodies in your shoulder. It almost has to involve bone spurs caused by the stretching of glenohumeral ligaments.

by NoNameOnCard on Sep 15, 2009 11:47 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Loose bodies in the shoulder?

Geez

Aaron King is still my homeboy... iffy mechanics and all

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by baetown415 on Sep 14, 2009 10:22 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, rough.

That requires bone spurs and collisions with sheer force. I wanna know what’s going on in THAT shoulder.

by NoNameOnCard on Sep 15, 2009 11:43 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

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