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TIME FOR PIE (at a baseball game).

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TIME FOR PIE (at a baseball game).


This past January, as part of their seemingly perpetual plan to get better by getting older, the Cubs traded long-touted prospect Felix Pie to the Orioles for a quarter pound of raw beef Garrett Olson and A ball reliever Henry Williamson. Pie, 24 years old to start the 2009 season, had almost always hit well in the minors at levels in which he was among the younger performers. Bur after less than 300 disappointing MLB plate appearances spread over the 2007 and 2008 seasons, the Cubs were "done" with Pie. The Orioles, who have spent the last couple offseasons ripping off clubs with less-than-brilliant GMs, received a guy who had come to be seen as a tool-sy guy who had lost his luster. He was to serve as maybe a defensive LF (where he would be a defensive standout, given his good defensive in CF) or a fourth outfielder for the Orioles, already loaded with young talent with Adam Jones in CF and Nick Markakis in RF. Then the year began, and Pie wasn't hitting. At all. He had some injury problems. Luke Scott started killing the ball, then Nolan Remold came up and did the same.

The last few weeks, Pie has really been smoking the ball. Adam Jones' injury has given  him even more playing time. I'm not going to do one of my little "projections" here, but let's take a look at some of the positive factors about Pie this season that make him possibly more than just a high-end stopgap for the Orioles, a team that many (rightly) see as having a very bright near future.

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The first thing to note, of course, is that Pie never really got a chance with the Cubs. 300 PAs is nothing, and Pie got less than that spread over two seasons.. Second, again, Pie was only 24 years old at the start of the season. There would seem to be plenty of development time left.

Despite his dreadful career MLB wOBA prior to joining the Cubs, the "big" projection systemss that also took into account his minor league performance all saw him as a .310-.320 wOBA hitter. That's about 5-10 runs below average over a full season. Not good, but when combined with good defense in CF, it leaves open the possibility for a league average player. Thus far this season (in only 230 PAs, to be sure), Pie has exceeded those expectations, with a .335 wOBA. Nut bad for a 25 year-old, really. While 230 PAs isn't much, let's look "behind the scenes" a bit to see if there's anything to the improvement.s

His peripheral hitting stats show some progress so far this season. With the Cubs, his walk rates were between 7% and 8%. This season he's up to 9.7%. He still strikes out a great deal, but his K rate is down to 22% after being over 25% in his time with the Cubs.  His BB/K ratio is also up to .49, up from the .33 and .24 he put up in 2007 and 2008 with the Cubs.

This does seem to be a reflection of a more refined approach to the strike zone, as his O-Swing (percentage of pitches swung at outside of the strike zone) is down below 28%, which is an improvement for him from this Chicago seasons. His contact rate is also back up.

Pie is also hitting more line drives and flyballs, and many of those are going out of the park. Although Pie's fast, getting the ball in the air is good. His 2009 BABIP a the time of this writing is .309, and The Hardball times xBABIP calculator returns a .316 for me. Not luck there. HIs HR/FB rate does seem a bit lucky. According to Hit Tracker Online, 3 of Pie's 8 home runs this season have been "just enough," and that's a bit of a lucky rate. Still, he's hitting a decent number of doubles, and power, like patience, is something that usually is still developing for players Pie's age.

As for fielding, Pie has a very limited sample in the OF this season, with less than 500 innings so far. But his UZR/50 is +7.9 so far, which is in line with prior performance. UZR doesn't like him so much in CF this season, but less than 220 innings of defense is like judging a players hitting by 50 PAs. For his career, Pie is +4 in CF, and scouting reports tend to agree that he's a good defender out there.

Again, there are no guarantees here, but looking at age, past performance, and peripherals for this season, Pie definitely looks like a guy who has a very good chance than just a a stopgap starter or 4th OF. Let's compare his with another center fielder, Player X.

Player X is only 6 months younger than Pie. The player is a better hitter than Pie prior to 2009, and this season is still better, but Player X's 2009 wOBA of .343 is only  a few runs better than Pie's .335 (and, again, one really should use a projection here -- I'm just looking at perception). Player X has a sterling defensive reputation, but this season has actually been -8.7 runs below average in CF this season. His career UZR/150 in CF is 1.0 as opposed to Pie's 4.3

While Pie's career walk rate, 8.5%, is about average, Player X isn't exactly Rickey Henderson at the plate, with a 5.6% walk rate. Player X's .39 BB/K ratio is also below average and worse than Pie's in 2009, although it is an improvement for Player X. Most shocking, perhaps, for those of us who don't follow the Orioles on a day-to-day basis, player X as a 35.3% O-Swing for his career, while having only about a 75% contract rate.

Who is Player X? Player X is the guy that Pie backs up: Adam Jones.

My point is not to put down Jones. Far from it. Despite some obvious flaws in his strike zone judgment and a down year defensively, Jones is still rightly regarded as a cornerstone  of a resurgent Baltimore franchise. My point is that when you look at Pie's numbers in comparison, and realize that despite Pie seemingly having been around forever, that they are about the same age. So  (sample size caveats granted), Pie needs to be in the mix for a starting spot next season.

Indeed, maybe Pie needs to be in CF with Jones in left, although either way would mean great OF defense. Reimold (who isn't making anyone forget the young Barry Bonds in left field) could move to DH or first, with Luke Scott taking the other spot (unless they trade him).

Or, hey, maybe the Orioles just want to give up on Pie like the Cubs did. That's fine by me. I know a team that could use a good outfielder or two... couldn't Baltimore use a shortstop who was once more valuable than Billy Butler?

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I posted my Madison Bumgarner article not realizing you had written one. I could see where you would be confused, since I never write for my own site. Won’t happen again.

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by Kyle Boddy on Sep 9, 2009 10:26 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

it was all I could do to not use "Remember when I wasn't the only writer for this site" as a subtitle last week

it’s cool. Especailly given that traffic jumps by about 1,000+ visits a day when you post

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by devil_fingers on Sep 10, 2009 5:57 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Things like this are killing the cubs as much as things like getting rid of Derosa or signing "bad guys" like Bradley,

They also dropped Chad Gaudin like a bad habit, and traded Olson and Cedeno for…stuff. And now all they have to show for it is this Heilman character.

How does Mcphail sleep at night indeed.

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by hazel on Sep 10, 2009 12:33 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I've never laughed myself to sleep

but I"m guessing if anyone does, it’s Andy

You think he prank calls Hendry at 3 am apologizing for not callng him on Aubrey Huff first?

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by devil_fingers on Sep 10, 2009 5:56 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I wonder if MacPhail is among the best GMs in the league.

I had no idea that he’s been around for so long (GM of the Twins in 1987). It’s amazing that he hasn’t traded Brian Roberts for Moustakas, Hosmer, Kila, and Rosa, though he may be saving that for the offseason.

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by hazel on Sep 10, 2009 9:26 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

that struck me earlier this season as well

was he running the Twins from a dorm room or something?

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by devil_fingers on Sep 10, 2009 9:41 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

He gets a bad rap

Due to Angelos running the Orioles for many years and constantly going over the head of MacPhail. But now that he has (mostly) complete control of the franchise’s player development moves, you can see that he actually is fairly intelligent.

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by Kyle Boddy on Sep 10, 2009 9:43 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

MacPhail

MacPhail is actually widely recognized and respected for his work with the O’s. Since his arrival in mid-2007, Angelos has more or less stayed out of the way and let him do his thing. Angelos did tamper more with the previous two headed monster of Jim Beattie/Mike Flanagan, but Angelos has pretty much given the reins to MacPhail from day one.

Kyle- I think you’re probably thinking of previous GMs with Baltimore who were more pawns of Angelos. That’s not to say that he hasn’t vetoed some deals of Andy, for instance nixing the potential trade of Brian Roberts two offseasons ago.

by Lou Brown on Sep 10, 2009 11:11 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Other GMs

I think you’re right. Angelos just has a terrible aura around him, so the misconceptions of Andy’s work (including mine, apparently) can sometimes cast him in a poor light.

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by Kyle Boddy on Sep 10, 2009 11:16 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Angelos...

has no doubt been a meddler, and we don’t really know how good or bad the Beattie/Flanagan team was because they were never given even leash to succeed/fail on their own. I don’t think it’s a coincidence that Angelos given MacPhail pretty much full control has coincided with the Orioles getting the ship headed in a positive direction.

Although the on field results this year haven’t been much different from previous years, this year “feels” completely different because you can see a bright future. Many young players showing signs of belonging at the major league level, and several promising young pitchers with expected mixed levels of success. They appear to have dynamic talents throughout the outfield and behind the plate, a very good 2B, and they picked up a nice 3B prospect. Of course, the young pitching is going to have to excel quickly to complete in AL East, but like I said, there is hope.

by Lou Brown on Sep 10, 2009 12:28 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I just wanted to say...

awesome job on the photo caption at the top of this article.

Also, good job with the rest of the stuff. I’d forgotten that Pie is that young…I thought he was Juan Pierre’s age (okay, maybe not over 30, but I definitely thought he was in his late 20s).

by jwiscarson on Sep 10, 2009 7:46 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

yeah, he's another guy who seems like he's been around forever

that’s the main thing that spurred me to write about this. This isn’t a case of a “late bloomer.” It’s a really young guy who’s been jerked around without getting a chance. Granted, 230 PAs is a small sample sizes, but then again, in 2007 and 2008, he got less than 300, so using he Marcels weights, this season probably carries more weight that the others (counting only major league time, that is).

I wish the Orioles would DFA him so that the Royals could pass on him in favor of Josh Anderson.

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by devil_fingers on Sep 10, 2009 8:24 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I really feel for all of you...

As a longstanding fan of a perennial suckfest that recently changed its act, I understand the bone-crushing ache that comes from the “oh god, what the hell is going ON??” feeling.

It’s just…the moves your FO makes are totally inexplicable. It gets me that so many brilliant writers and saber folk live/work (or have worked) in the area. Even Bill James, for all his faults, would do wonders for the Royals. Hell, someone who realizes that walks are important would do wonders for the Royals.

by jwiscarson on Sep 10, 2009 8:34 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Pie is perfect for the O's right now

as a 4th OF and bench bat/legs.

Reimold’s 2 assists last night gives him more ammo to stay in LF, but the team needs to fill the infield corners next year.

I think Jones’ problem defensively is that he plays too shallow, giving up hits to deep CF. He has crazy range so he gets away with it by making catches all over the field, but he gets burned badly enough that I’d like to see a positioning adjustment.

Great writeup BTW.

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by CoachOfEarl on Sep 10, 2009 8:02 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

thanks

Reimold is a good hitter, but he wasn’t noted for his defense in the minors, either. Indeed, the difference between Reimold and Pie in the field likely makes up for any difference in their bats.

Pie is also more than a year younger than Reimold.

It’s something worth thinking about.

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by devil_fingers on Sep 10, 2009 8:22 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Reimold doesn’t have as much of a L/R split as Pie does. I’m talking over a 300 OPS split. Pie projects platoon at best, which is how they’ve used him in the past. With 3 LF (Reimold, Scott, Pie) (or 2 LF and 2 CF) there are plenty of options.

Also, Reimold missed a lot of time in the minors due to various injuries, which is why he’s such an old rookie. The O’s fanbase was split into ‘bust/patience’ talk until he put up a .750 SLG in the IL this year and started playing in the bigs. He played a lot of RF in the minors until it was obvious that the O’s don’t need one of those but for a couple days a year, so he switched to left.

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by CoachOfEarl on Sep 10, 2009 12:38 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

INteresting thoughts

I’ve written on the nature of platoon splits before. IN the majors, Pie has less than 100 PAs against LHP… so we’re a long way from being able to say his split is “really” quite big. I’ve looked at his minor league splits, as well, and even if you take that data as “just as good” as the major league data, it still doesn’t get us close to 1000 PAs.

In addition, the point about defense still stands — Pie is an average centerfielder at worst, while Reimold is a below average corner OF at best. This is not an insignificant different.

I guess the best argument one could make is that Pie and Reimold could be platoon partners in LF. I think the better plan is to DH Reimold most of the time (after all, if you aren’t going to start Pie, Luke Scott is at least as good with the bat than Reimold, and certainly better with the glove…

So there’s not necessarily a conflict here. Reimold is the better hitter than Pie, in general. That doesn’t make him the better player.

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by devil_fingers on Sep 10, 2009 8:24 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Good points

I don’t think you can say there will be no split. It may not be as severe as the data show now, but it’s there. That small amount of data just has a lower confidence value. I don’t know if it’s 20% or 49% or what. But you must factor in the size of the split.

I also think it’s easier to learn (and fail to learn) how to hit vs how to play outfield. Watching Reimold, I see that he’s lacking the reaction time and takes bad routes. He’s a bizarrely successful baserunner, I think he’s fast once he gets that big body moving, but he probably won’t learn reaction time. Pie can learn to hit, he’s shown that potential in the minors.

BTW I’m a big fan of defense, but offense is still more expensive on the market. I also feel that defensive metrics are not yet mature, since it’s easier to evaluate the outcomes of 4-5 PA in a game vs 2-3 defensive chances (or any number for that matter, given vastly different success rates and the concept of balls hit in ‘your’ zone vs balls pitched to them). And its easier for an outfielder to create runs than it is to save them. (Unless your pitching staff gives up hits like crazy, like the O’s)

The O’s need corner infielders badly. They’ve been trying Scott at 1B and playing Wigginton at both corners. I’m waiting for a Reimold at 1B experiment.

I think we agree that this deal was a pretty big win for the O’s

"I hate seeing Bedard go, but I think the O's may have gotten the better end of the deal" -- me, 2/8/08

by CoachOfEarl on Sep 11, 2009 3:11 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Agreed that we agree

just for the record, though: I didn’t mean to say there was no split. Every player has a split of some sort, and LHH in general have a larger one than RHHs. I meant that we don’t have enough data to say how much bigger (or smaller) Pie’s is than average.

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by devil_fingers on Sep 12, 2009 7:12 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

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by Kyle Boddy on Sep 12, 2009 12:53 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

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